Scott Snyder's Batman Discussion Thread (SPOILERS) (2,863 views)
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 4, 2015 2:41:19 GMT
I don't like the joker having a set canon origin. Meaning, I like the idea that Red Hood One could be the joker and Batman created his own enemy, yet I don't want that to be the official origin of the joker. Same with the immortally, I like the idea that the joker could be immortal as it makes him so much more threatening and scary yet, I don't want that to ever be made completely official. What I'm saying is, the joker's origin should be left open for interpretation and allow fans to decide how he became the joker, or not. Some might even choose to not give him an origin at all and just leave it. Because the more we officially know about the joker, the less we fear him and the more "human" he becomes. Doesn't making him immortal make us fear him more and make him less human though? |
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 2:44:11 GMT
I don't like the joker having a set canon origin. Meaning, I like the idea that Red Hood One could be the joker and Batman created his own enemy, yet I don't want that to be the official origin of the joker. Same with the immortally, I like the idea that the joker could be immortal as it makes him so much more threatening and scary yet, I don't want that to ever be made completely official. What I'm saying is, the joker's origin should be left open for interpretation and allow fans to decide how he became the joker, or not. Some might even choose to not give him an origin at all and just leave it. Because the more we officially know about the joker, the less we fear him and the more "human" he becomes. Doesn't making him immortal make us fear him more and make him less human though? But the idea he could be immortal is so much more frightening than knowing he is immortal. And yes, it does make him less human hence the ""human"". |
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 4, 2015 2:47:40 GMT
Doesn't making him immortal make us fear him more and make him less human though? But the idea he could be immortal is so much more frightening than knowing he is immortal. And yes, it does make him less human hence the ""human"". But if you don't know he's immortal there's always the thought that "It's ok, he may actually be able to be stopped.", but if he's confirmed to be immortal that security blanket of a thought is absent. |
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 2:49:12 GMT
I don't like the joker having a set canon origin. Meaning, I like the idea that Red Hood One could be the joker and Batman created his own enemy, yet I don't want that to be the official origin of the joker. Same with the immortally, I like the idea that the joker could be immortal as it makes him so much more threatening and scary yet, I don't want that to ever be made completely official. What I'm saying is, the joker's origin should be left open for interpretation and allow fans to decide how he became the joker, or not. Some might even choose to not give him an origin at all and just leave it. Because the more we officially know about the joker, the less we fear him and the more "human" he becomes. That seems to be the opposite of what Snyder is trying to do. right? Sorta, Snyder is giving us his take on who the joker is, and giving us the origin of his joker. But again I wouldn't say it's the over all origin for him. |
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 4, 2015 2:49:39 GMT
I don't really follow Buoy, you want him to be freighting and less human. How is making him unbeatable less freighting than possibly unbeatable? And how does unlike any other human less human than possibly unlike any other human?
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 2:52:19 GMT
But the idea he could be immortal is so much more frightening than knowing he is immortal. And yes, it does make him less human hence the ""human"". But if you don't know he's immortal there's always the thought that "It's ok, he may actually be able to be stopped.", but if he's confirmed to be immortal that security blanket of a thought is absent. I'd say it's the opposite. If he's definitley immortal then it's like, "Well, we've taken down immortal beings before and we've taken the joker down before, we can do this" But if it's a maybe it's more "Shit, what if we can't stop him this time? We always assumed he was just a normal guy before but now theres this possiblity that he's so much more, and we might not be able to stop him, we don't know the full extent of his power." |
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 2:55:47 GMT
I don't really follow Buoy, you want him to be freighting and less human. How is making him unbeatable less freighting than possibly unbeatable? And how does unlike any other human less human than possibly unlike any other human? ...i don't follow you. When I said "human" i just didn't mean he is human(with immortality) i mean't he is more understandable. Batman knows for sure he's immortal, he has some idea what he's dealing with. If Batman doesn't know for sure he doesn't know what he's going up against, he can't formulate a plan to deal with him. |
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 4, 2015 2:55:51 GMT
But if you don't know he's immortal there's always the thought that "It's ok, he may actually be able to be stopped.", but if he's confirmed to be immortal that security blanket of a thought is absent. I'd say it's the opposite. If he's definitley immortal then it's like, "Well, we've taken down immortal beings before and we've taken the joker down before, we can do this" But if it's a maybe it's more "Shit, what if we can't stop him this time? We always assumed he was just a normal guy before but now theres this possiblity that he's so much more, and we might not be able to stop him, we don't know the full extent of his power." Buoy that makes no sense. Just... So, if immortal this can't apply, but if he's not this can apply to him? What? |
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 4, 2015 2:57:24 GMT
I don't really follow Buoy, you want him to be freighting and less human. How is making him unbeatable less freighting than possibly unbeatable? And how does unlike any other human less human than possibly unlike any other human? ...i don't follow you. When I said "human" i just didn't mean he is human(with immortality) i mean't he is more understandable. Batman knows for sure he's immortal, he has some idea what he's dealing with. If Batman doesn't know for sure he doesn't know what he's going up against, he can't formulate a plan to deal with him. But what or who's to say he can't formulate a plan to deal with an immortal Joker? Clearly nobody has ever seen this before. It makes no difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 2:59:41 GMT
I'd say it's the opposite. If he's definitley immortal then it's like, "Well, we've taken down immortal beings before and we've taken the joker down before, we can do this" But if it's a maybe it's more "Shit, what if we can't stop him this time? We always assumed he was just a normal guy before but now theres this possiblity that he's so much more, and we might not be able to stop him, we don't know the full extent of his power." Buoy that makes no sense. Just... So, if immortal this can't apply, but if he's not this can apply to him? What? I was with Buoy up until now |
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 3:01:09 GMT
I dunno.
It's late, I'm tired, and I'm not thinking straight.
All I know is that I don't like the joker being pinned down by an origin.
And that he's much more threatening, to me, with complete mystery surrounding him.
He's just a person, in a clown costume, who creates chaos and pain for Batman.
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 3:01:54 GMT
Buoy that makes no sense. Just... So, if immortal this can't apply, but if he's not this can apply to him? What? I was with Buoy up until now I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING! words are just falling out of my head onto my keyboard. |
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 4, 2015 3:02:45 GMT
All I know is that I don't like the joker being pinned down by an origin. That's all you need to say. That I understand, I'm not sure what you getting at with all the other stuff. |
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 3:03:30 GMT
All I know is that I don't like the joker being pinned down by an origin. That's all you need to say. That I understand, I'm not sure what you getting at with all the other stuff. ...me neither. |
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Post by YerDaSellsAvon on Feb 4, 2015 3:04:11 GMT
I don't like the joker having a set canon origin. Meaning, I like the idea that Red Hood One could be the joker and Batman created his own enemy, yet I don't want that to be the official origin of the joker. Same with the immortally, I like the idea that the joker could be immortal as it makes him so much more threatening and scary yet, I don't want that to ever be made completely official. What I'm saying is, the joker's origin should be left open for interpretation and allow fans to decide how he became the joker, or not. Some might even choose to not give him an origin at all and just leave it. Because the more we officially know about the joker, the less we fear him and the more "human" he becomes. Doesn't making him immortal make us fear him more and make him less human though? This confused me. |
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